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15. Lovesguardian - 2009-09-18 18:12:05 |
| The only thing neccessary to be a Christian/disciple is a true desire to make Jesus Lord of your Life. If you love God and serve him whole-heartedly and you love others as you love yourself you are doing the will of God. I do not Believe Baptism is Neccessary to obtain Salvation, nor do I believe a thorough Indoctrination is required..God is the absolute one who decides who will be in heaven not any group or sect. I have been teaching the OCOC doctrine for years and I think it is terribly flawed, love is from God and love covers over a multitude of sins. I love you as you read this just as Christ loves you! |
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14. American - 2009-04-30 01:54:18 |
| Please pass this Prayer Request to as many Christians and Churches as possible***(Terrorist plotting against the U.S,Taliban,Bath Party officials,those caught in the battlefield fighting against U.S troops and enemies of the U.S).When these enemies are caught by the U.S,Pray GOD makes all these enemies tell the truth about everything they know,holding nothing back when talking to U.S interigators.Pray all these enemies of the U.S are forced to tell the truth about everything they know when asked by U.S interigators,just like Demons were forced to to the truth when they were asked questions by JESUS and the apostles in the old testament.Pray GOD will not let any terrorist or supporter of terrorist lie to any American about what they believe in,Pray they are forced to tell the truth by GOD .....Many in the Liberal media pretend to be objective and unbiased,but they are not objective and they are biased.Pray GOD makes all bias liberals in the media tell the truth to their American audience always.Pray they will not have any control of themselves and won’t be able to deceive the American people anymore.No more covering up,and no more hiding the truth...Liberals in the government deceive people and use the liberal media to cover for them.Pray liberals in our government will not be able to lie to,or deceive the American people anymore.Pray GOD makes all liberals in our government tell the truth to the American people,no more covering up,and no more hiding the truth.Pray they will have no control over themselves and will not be able to lie, or deceive the American people no more.Pray all leftist,secular humanist and communist will also be forced to tell the truth to all Americans when they really intend to lie and deceive Americans,Pray GOD forces them to tell the truth to the American people always .Pray no more deception,lies or propaganda by terrorist,terrorist supporters,liberals,secular humanist,leftist or communist.Pray GOD makes them tell the truth the way He makes demons tell the truth In JESUS Name.***Please pass this Prayer Request to as many Chuches and Christians as possible.*** |
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13. jody - 2009-04-01 21:09:43 |
| Dear Friends - why should anyone be offended by the ICOC anymore? I let it all go. Before ICOC - I was "SAVED" and the ICOC taught me that such beliefs are a blasphemy - I tried returning to the "Born - again " lifestyle - only to realize that they too are not much different than ICOC. Think about it - according to Born again christians - everyone except them are going to hell too. Catholics - Jehovahs Witnesses, Mormons, EVERYONE. Mother Theresa - they told me - is in hell too. The ICOC is a cult - true! But the born again christians were once a cult like the ICOC too but evangelical christianity flourished because its roots grew and spread in the plantations of the Deep South during the days of slavery in the USA. The early christians never practiced Born-again christianity - and they never were so certain to say that they were saved. Study the history of Christianity and you will see for yourself. If someone like the Pat Robertson talked to Saint Peter on how to be saved -Saint Peter would have had him kicked out. And it is true about Baptism - the early christians were jews and back then - if people wanted to convert to Judaism - they had to be immersed in a mikvah - Today - this still holds true - anyone who converts to Judaism must be immersed fully in water - something we call baptism. The ICOC is correct and so are Born agains - why? Because the new testament contradicts itself regading salvation. Intelligent and logical churches - Like Saint John the Divine in New York City - know this and this is why they are - in my opinion - the true reps of Christianity. Please feel free to email me anytime - I told Kip I used his name on email and added the 666 at the end but he just nervously walked away from me as fast as he could. |
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12. Carol - 2009-02-10 03:46:34 |
I read with interest all the comments about the Church of Christ. I am attending one now in Fort Lauderdale, Florida. I find it to be a most loving congregation, sadly however with some remnants of the cultish Boston Movement. I joined the Church of Christ in 1971 after graduation from the University of Florida, left for awhile and am now back again. I am happy to be here, although I do not agree with everything they teach. I will probably never be a "member" but I don’t care anymore. I refused to participate in their "bible study" sessions which were not bible studies at all. I could clearly see from the beginning where they were going, and none of their tactics worked on me. I enjoy the teaching and the singing, and have made many new friends. I will not however, violate my integrity or values of what is right and wrong as far as what the bible teaches about salvation. Baptism is necessary, but not the most important factor in salvation. The message of Christ was simple and that’s why it’s for everyone. "Come, ALL ye who are weary and heavy laden, and I will give you rest." The call is for everyone, not just a select few. It doesn’t make sense that the requirements to be a member of the Church of Christ are stricter than to get into the kingdom of God!
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11. Bob - 2008-11-12 03:33:02 |
| Please pass this Prayer Request to as many Christians and Churches as possible***(Terrorist plotting against the U.S,Taliban,Bath Party officials,those caught in the battlefield fighting against U.S troops and enemies of the U.S).When these enemies are caught by the U.S,Pray GOD makes all these enemies tell the truth about everything they know,holding nothing back when talking to U.S interigators.Pray all these enemies of the U.S are forced to tell the truth about everything they know when asked by U.S interigators,just like Demons were forced to to the truth when they were asked questions by JESUS and the apostles in the old testament.....Many in the Liberal media pretend to be objective and unbiased,but they are not objective and they are biased.Pray GOD makes all bias liberals in the media tell the truth to their American audience always.Pray they will not have any control of themselves and won’t be able to deceive the American people anymore.No more covering up,and no more hiding the truth...Liberals in the government deceive people and use the liberal media to cover for them.Pray liberals in our government will not be able to lie to,or deceive the American people anymore.Pray GOD makes all liberals in our government tell the truth to the American people,no more covering up,and no more hiding the truth.Pray they will have no control over themselves and will not be able to lie, or deceive the American people no more.Pray GOD makes them tell the truth the way He makes demons tell the truth In JESUS Name.***Please pass this Prayer Request to as many Chuches and Christians as possible.*** |
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10. elbert sams - 2007-04-21 17:19:00 |
Some of the mainstream churches of Christ are becoming as dishonest in their pursual and treatment of members who try to leave as the ICC does. Our teen was pursued by adults in our former church with and without my knowledge for over a year; kids were instructed to place guilt trips on her for leaving even though it was our family decision.
all we had been doing was going to another congregation because of growing discomfort at the old one and some of the things that were being done there.
They refused to interact with the adults in our family with their so called concerns, but relentlessly pursued our minor child. Ugly rumors began to surface out of other congregations, in an attempt to discourage other congregations from having anything to do with us.
Apparently We offended THEM.
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9. april - 2006-12-01 17:43:01 |
| If we all claim christianity, we should also know that condemning others is condemning onesself. To have a true view, study the Bible yourself and reach your own personal convictions and conclusions. Let the Spirit guide you, and you will be amazed at where God will lead you. I was at first 100% against the doctrinal belief of salvation through baptism, but as I further studied it out, I realized it was not only commanded by God, but also was in accordance with Scriptural teaching. I have been a member of ICOC for over a year, and many of things posted aren’t exactly what the church preaches. |
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8. keijo - 2006-11-11 12:12:35 |
"Dear friends,if our hearts do not condemn us,we have cinfidence before God.hallujah ,joy and leap for pure confidence of Blood of Jesus again today and be fil of the joy and power and take care you that watch always,for our Lord is coming .Help the lose men that find Christ.Pray for blessed revival soon.Thanks and bless and love.keijo sweden  |
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7. anonymous - 2006-09-27 21:56:15 |
| Also, I wanted to comment on Laura’s response that this article is inaccurate on ICOC...I would disagree. Although I don’t think it’s fair to categorize ALL members of the ICOC w/the thoughts from this site...what the author wrote is pretty accurate based on my experience and 8 yrs in the church. I was taught all of the things the author wrote and taught others the same at some point or another. I was told the ICOC church was the "Kingdom" and taught that all others are NOT true christians therefore are not going to heaven. This arrogance that I had and ultimately still saw in the church is what led me away. I am grateful though b/c I have found myself in a place where I am walking even more closely with the Lord and I am beginning to understand freedom in Christ much more. I take full responsibility for false things I taught and arrogant attitudes I had while a member of ICOC...I also must acknowledge that I was taught many truthful things! I am grateful for all that were apart of my life while apart of the ICOC. Many I still consider dear friends and family. Sadly, I have little communication w/most, but again, I don’t fault anyone but myself. relationships are a 2 way street. I am certainly rambling now, but my intention in this post was to challenge your comment that the article is inaccurate...anyone who is truly being honest w/him/herself will find many truths in this piece.... |
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6. anonymous - 2006-09-27 21:40:34 |
| Thank you for sharing this for all to read. I was apart of ICOC for almost 8 yrs. A couple yrs ago I began questioning teachings of the ICOC and what I was in turn teaching others and believing myself. This led to much prayer and study of the Word. It is my conviction that overtime I became alienated from the Cross of Christ...just like many in the church of Galatia as Paul pointed out who were teaching that circumcision was necessary for salvation...quite simply I spent ALL my time focusing on baptism and making this the essential focus of someones conversion instead of simply preaching Jesus and the Cross...this is truly the Good News the apostles preached! Jesus is All and in All...I earnestly prayed and STRUGGLED w/the necessity of baptism for salvation...it always seemed so clear when I studied the Bible w/others, but I began to open my mind and heart and BEGGED God to show me the TRUTH in it’s ENTIRETY...God’s simple message to me was..."Read the book of Hebrews"...I encourage all to do so...my eyes began to open and I saw things as never before! The message is truly and only about Jesus...He was the atoning sacrafice...once for all...The entire message of the Bible is about faith in Jesus...try it...read the book of John..book of Galatians, Ephesians, etc read them all and really notice ...what do you see more, the word FAITH, or BAPTISM?? I conclude that you will see Faith! Does that mean those believing baptism is essential are wrong and doomed to hell? No more than I now have come to know that those who don’t believe it’s essential are doomed. I was taught and led to think that ONLY those baptized for salvation are truly saved..what do I say to that now? The message of the Bible as I read in it’s entirety is simply faith and belief in Jesus...this is what I read more than anything. Of course I believe baptism is important, but I am no longer clinging to baptism as the only means to salvation...I am clinging to Jesus who says, "I am the way the truth the life" over and over Jesus says that the only way to Him is through belief and faith in Him. Nowhere in the entire gospel of John does Jesus speak of baptism FOR the means of salvation. yes, it is a command to be baptized, just as it’s a command to obey, but I now believe the means of savation is one that occurs in the spiritual realm..one I cannot see nor predict nor mandate through studies and actions-it’s a change in the heart through the Spirit and visible only to God!..God is in control and my role is to preach Christ, the Cross he bore and repentance, belief and faith. I no longer want to fixiate on baptism, but instead lift up the Cross of Christ for all to trust and believe on Him. It’s hard for me to believe now that baptism is the way to salvation since Christ did not teach this...his primary message throughout the entire gospels is FAITH in HIM!!! Also, I find it of interest that Paul, the one whom God selected to lead gentiles to salvation says,"for Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the Good News.." 1 Cor. 1;17 The Good News is not be baptized for salvation...the Good News is Jesus died for the forgiveness of sins! Once for all! Believe in Him...Have faith in Him..Live for Him!! This should lead one’s heart to desire baptism...this baptism should represent the putting off of your old life and the raising to a new one. Please let’s not get distracted any longer w/foolish arguments..let us truly be of one mind and heart and preach the Good News in all it’s wonderful and amazing simplicity..."I tell you the truth, those who listen to my message and believe in God who sent me have eternal life. they will never be condemned for their sins, but they have already passed from death to life." John 5;24 |
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